War on the Rocks Podcast
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Dr. Hal Brands, Henry A. Kissinger Distinguished Professor and Dr. Francis J. Gavin, Giovanni Agnelli Distinguished Professor and Director, recorded a podcast on “Grand Strategy from Obama to Trump” for War on the Rocks with Ryan Evans. The conversation was followed by a reception hosted by the Kissinger Center.
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